ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]

How is saying Stalin wasn’t a great guy either denying the holocaust?

You aren’t saying that though, you are saying that they killed an equivalent amount of people. You’re morally equating them. Also even the CIA didn’t consider stalin a dictator in their since declassified internal documents, treating him as one is another way you were taught to equate the USSR with nazi Germany.

Yes ofc, but a big percentage of the deportated people were Jewish. They killed two thirds of the European Jewish population.

I know, that isn’t the only group they targeted though. I was simply correcting an inaccuracy in what you said.

No:

Sorry, I thought it was high hundreds of thousands but it was actually a million. My mistake. Still, that is in no way similar to killing upwards of 35 million people in the name of bigotry.

Life expectancy https://link.springer.com/article/10.1057/s41294-021-00169-w

Oh yea, like if you are religious you are a threat to the state and therefore you are unfit for basically any leading role, or your property might be confiscated and you might be sent of to Siberia ?

Anti religion is needlessly antagonistic but also wasn’t enforced like you are suggesting: https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1920/11/13.htm

Lines for food namely bread and if the stars aligned meat.

According to the anti-communist cia their nutrition was in many ways better

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP85M00363R000601440024-5.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwijl7ChsciBAxXug4kEHS2ZCCAQFnoECBgQAQ&usg=AOvVaw06QRMVGCOurHDUtg96SRq0

Also breadlines are common under capitalism.

Big amount of corruption ?

Yes, theft from the public has definitely decreased since the the collapse. /s

Mandatory conscription to the military (and the corruption there too) ?

There are plenty of countries that do that after they lose around 20 percent of their population in a brutal war. Like Vietnam, for example.

Iron curtain ?

You mean the one the west put up? https://news.stanford.edu/2019/12/26/stalin-not-want-iron-curtain-descend/

Free speech and freedom of expression ?

Western countries have more sophisticated censorship and media apparatuses I give you that. Speak out in a real way though and look what happens to people like Fred Hampton.

They literally say that the intentional killing was around 1 million. Wikipedia is a notably right wing anticommunist source, and they say a million intentional deaths.

So you were lying?

Hey, whoever told you those numbers is lying to you. The nazis killed 11 million people in the holocaust and 26-27 million soviet citizens. High estimates for people killed by the USSR outside of defeating nazism, failures, and sabotage is in the 100,000s, which is noticeably lower than capitalist oligarchies like the US and Britain. Also killing people based on them wanting to bring back old caste systems through violence is morally distinct from racism based mass killings.

The difference is that Hitler was after one specific group of people and wanted to eradicate them.

Also this isnt true, Jewish people, Roma, nuerodivergent people, disabled people, trade unionists socialists, communists, gay people, trans people, the list goes on.

Also you’re still equating the two after being told doing so is holocaust denial. You’re saying “well they killed equivalent amounts of people!”

Also without open source the capitalist tech sector would collapse

Have you considered there are other reasons besides nostalgia? Like the massive life expectancy and qol collapse under capitalism?

https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/32fb41e8-a5d4-41c0-9001-b3103bb43898.png

This you? https://hexbear.net/comment/3889149

Typical Russian bullshit. I hope the dwindling, future generations of Russian scum know why they’re pariahs, unable to travel outside of their smoldering wreck of a never-great, failed state

Cause honestly this comes off as incredibly racist and nationalist.

https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory

Here is a mainstream Jewish holocaust survivor saying equating the communists and fascists is holocaust trivialization.

Wow it is almost like when Trump put them on the state sponsor of terror list for literally no reason and Biden kept them there their standard of living has gone down. Shocking.

Weird, it is almost like you’re in an anti-communist media ecosystem that doesn’t broadcast it.

Cuba has higher living standards than the US under a 60 year siege lmao

“Tankie” is to liberals as “woke” is to conservative liberals and fascists.

You know that real world socialist states don’t have a homelessness problem anywhere approaching the west, especially the US, right?

The only fantasy here is in your capitalist realism soaked brain.

A socialist state where housing is a guarantee and where poverty doesn’t lead to widespread drug use because it doesn’t exist. Also addiction recovery programs in the transitional state.

Why. What is yours, push them into a comically large blender? Or a prison, how about a prison?

The people en-masse being in control. Representative democracy, by it’s nature, creates a “ruling class”, the representatives. Only a direct democracy asks the people what they think of each and every issue, but that is impractical in my opinion.

No, that’s just our government/s. You can have representative democracy where representatives are beholden to their constituents, and where they are easily recallable if they do not follow those interests to a T. This is one of the many reforms socialists want to make to the democratic process.

…and I don’t feel that leaders of state owned capital are particularly any different from leaders of privately owned capital. Both are individuals in privileged positions of power that work to maintain themselves above the workers. To me it’s not the ownership that matters but the fact you have a ruling class at all.

Genuinely no offense but this is a position born of ignorance. Under a democratically run state economy the representatives only get rich through corruption. Under capitalism the owners get rich through the extraction of surplus labor value and the politicians in their pockets get rich through corruption.

Corruption is a drop in the bucket compared to surplus labor value theft. Compare how wealthy Pelosi is to how wealthy Jeff Bezos or Elon musk are. And people like Pelosi are only that rich because of insider trading, which couldn’t exist under socialism.

What specifically is at odds?

Okay, well, I’ve studied everything from all sorts of marxist tendencies to syndicalism to anarchism, to classical economics, and I think you’re either using terms wrong or have the wrong idea. Can you define your terms or rephrase what you mean?

I apologize if this is too blunt.

I mean the stages of economic transition have been “fuedalism->capitalism-> socialism” as each one is progressively more efficient and supercedes the previous.