Wait, reddit has views now?

Oh right, is that this new “free speech absolutism” I’ve heard about? 🙃

I agree that this is a problem and Lemmy could do better at community discovery. It just feels inefficient to fetch all new communities all the time, but maybe some auto-fetching in case of popular posts should happen? I’m not sure how exactly to solve this problem.

Browsing r/all, taking in whatever was popular at any given moment. This only works on big Lemmy instances with wildly diverse federation.

I don’t think the instances needs to be that big to have enough networking effect to get most of all comms. Feddit.dk for instance is relatively small but the all feed is basically identical to any other major instance.

Certainly a very small instance could have a temporary issue like this but it could be easily improved by just fetching the missing comms. And again, you can certainly find smaller instances than lemmy.world that still have all the stuff in the all feed.

Best of luck :)

I agree that physical colocation of users is important for cohesive social media, but I don’t think this is how it should be done. I also don’t think it could ever take off.

People also want to participate in larger stuff sometimes (national news, international news). I think honestly the reddit model has already showed us how to handle this - just split stuff into separate communities.

You can have communities for the local stuff and people can go there. You can have communities for the bigger stuff and people can also go there if they want and they don’t even need to make another user on another platform or anything.

I think honestly we just need more lemmy users to join instances that match their physical location. That’s part of why I made Feddit.dk, to serve as the Danish hub of the Fediverse. We have communities for each city and you could have for each town as well once there’s enough users to warrant that.

some users will just get fed up with the demands/changes they’re making and move to an instance that is incompatible/defederated with Threads

But many users might now and then we’ve given Threads leverage - stay federated with Threads and give in to their demands and changes, or lose a big chunk of your users. That’s not leverage I want Meta to have. So I say defederate ahead of time.

I’m strongly against people pushing their values onto others. I would much rather have individual users block that instance if they so wish instead of someone deciding for them.

I’ve seen this sentiment before and I understand how it can seem appealing. Why should anyone decide what any user sees? Just let every user decide for themselves.

However, there’s multiple problems with that idea. Firstly, it doesn’t scale. It’s not sustainable to have every user block all the bad stuff for themselves before they get a sane feed. Secondly, it’s not a whole solution. A single user can block an instance, but that instance will still have an influence with votes (and blocking an instance right now in Lemmy is only blocking community posts so you’ll also see comments from an instance you “blocked” and this is by design). So user blocking simply doesn’t do the same thing as defederation does.

Also nobody is pushing values onto others really - each user decides for themselves what instance to join. They can join one endorsed by the Fedigarden og fedipact or whatever else they want. Or they can join another one. Up to them.

Well, for one thing, Threads is already full of ads. And I don’t mean Threads ads, I mean users posting ads, like ads for their own products or services or for their audience, trying to be an influencer and all that.

But it’s not necessarily the users that will be problematic. It’s more that by federating with Meta, you’re giving value to Zuckerberg. And I don’t want to do that.

Good on you for admitting it - we’re all wrong sometimes :) take it as a learning opportunity

You will in fact see their posts if they reply to Lemmy comments. They’ll then appear as comments in Lemmy. I believe Mastodon users can also post to communities by using hashtags, though I’m not 100% clear on that.

Threads can still participate via comments on Lemmy. I believe they can also post to communities via hashtags?

when X defederates with Y, and people want to see all the content, all else being equal they will pick Y

Hmmm maybe? But I think that’s a misunderstanding from a lot of users. You don’t want to see all content, trust me. Defederating is not necessarily bad. In most cases, it’s healthy.

When you defederate it stops the traffic flow from threads.net to you but the traffic from you to them is unchanged.

No, that is not how defederation works. One server defederates, traffic stops in both directions. It’s not comparable to user blocking.

posts and messages are publicly available to anyone

There’s a big difference between the posts being available publicly on the Web and them being sent to Threads via federation.

But you’re giving Meta the same selling point, right? Join Threads and see all the same content. There’s no point in going elsewhere then. It kinda goes both ways.

You’re right that we don’t know what will happen. So it could just as well be that Threads would swallow the whole Fediverse and then if Threads blocks an instance, it’s like a death sentence for that instance. That’s the whole embrace, extend, extinguish.

it places one way mirror between us from which only they can see thru

What do you mean by this? Even if Meta would collect data from defederated servers (I don’t think they would), it would be massively more complicated than if they were federated.

And the only email I want blocked is a domain where every single user is malicious, not a domain run by a malicious entity which has normal people as users, who aren’t necessarily very tech literate.

You’ll never get the tech iliterate people to switch to the rest of the Fediverse otherwise. Defederating Threads is about making it as bad as possible for its users - it’s about hurting Meta and stemming its bad influence on the web.

It’s very likely that some person I want to follow will be on Threads, and until people can convince them otherwise

You realize that it makes it a lot more difficult to convince people to come to the rest of the Fediverse instead of using Threads if people are following them and federating with Threads?

This is exactly how Zuckerberg wants you to think.

I think it’s just the fact that they’ve additionally signed this “pact” that says they’ll never federate with them or anything else meta again. See the link at the bottom of the page.

It’s mostly just symbolic, a sign of commitment.

Heard where? I heard that Beehaw is considering not using Lemmy, but they’ve said that for a long time without changing still. But maybe they will. But it’s all up to them and they can control their instance how they like :)

I dunno… The idea might work for some instances perhaps. But this is kind of what StackOverflow has done for a long time and that site isn’t exactly known for being super welcoming to new users.

It would also make it really inconvenient to create new accounts (for example when moving instances).