It’s not my choice but my lack of choice due to limited resources. If I could then I’d try everything. Still thanks

OMG that’s a lot of comment lol. My brain is gonna melt when typing a reply to THIS in English. But I guess I can try.

Does “getting very major” primarily apply to adoption rate amongst users? Or does it primarily take into account adoption rate amongst distros?

Amongst users. It’s possible that every big and medium distro will have an immutable spin soon but it won’t be too popular.

In your view, how should they be understood and used?

I’m sorry but expressing my opinion on it greatly increases the chance of running out of energy which will make my speech absolutely illogical and ridiculous.

I saw the part about advantages right after. However, I also noticed how the first disadvantage was written without nuance. The set of disadvantages and advantages that followed right afterwards was accompanied with “for some” (or something like that IIRC^[1]). Therefore, to me at least, it seemed as if you meant that there were disadvantages overall. But some of these disadvantages may be perceived as advantageous to some. Which, I thought was perhaps more in line with the general outlook of your comment. Or at least, my understanding of it*.

My brain always returns an “out of memory” error of the if/else solving module if I try to feed it this part so sorry if my response isn’t complete. I indeed made it look like the features of immutable distros are disadvantages to more people than they are advantages to. This is my opinion which might be biased since immutability goes totally against my workflow and the workflows I make for other people.

But, “unsuitable” =/= “not great”. So, this does not justify the (previous) usage of “unsuitable”. So, do you still stand behind the earlier use of “unsuitable”?

Worse for = not meant for; not meant for = unsuitable imo because there are just better options; this leads to worse = unsuitable. Maybe not completely unsuitable but at least definitely not good for.

Thank you for another clarification!

You are welcome and thank you for not being toxic like at least approximately 2/3 of people on Lemmy (according to my not-so-accurate research).

I just noticed that I read your “Nix” as “NixOS”. Which is blameworthy*. Uhmm…, so I have to ask for some (more) clarifications then 😜. Did you strictly mean Nix; i.e. the package manager and/or language? Or NixOS? According to you, does NixOS fall into Nix; i.e. simply the system that’s built on Nix?

Ok listen idk much about Nix ecosystem/infrastructure. I meant NixOS here. Sorry for the confusion. The habit of not including the “OS” ending comes from the Android community.

Fam. Chill. Please. I don’t intend to antagonize or whatsoever 😅. Like, the (overwhelming) majority of my previous comment were queries for clarifications and questioned related to how I initially understood them. There’s no need to make it more than that 😉.

I’m sorry, mister/miss. My attitude to the society, people in general and Lemmy users is negative and suspicious by default. I have my reasons and, no matter how controversial it is, I’m not going to change it. Most of the people by far are bad and toxic so it’s ok to make this assumption the default. Again I’m sorry that this my assumption caused inconvenience for you.

To clarify, from my understanding, it seems you regard/view ‘immutable distros’ at best as some niche. Which, to be fair, is absolutely fine.

It may not be a small niche but everything has a niche (even X11, Wayland, GNOME and Windows 10) so immutable distros can have a big one or a small one. As you said, future will tell. I don’t see them getting a large (more than 10-20% desktop Linux users) niche any time soon.

How do you reconcile this with the fact that other distros (more often than not) join Fedora into whatever direction they depart?

I don’t think it’s the case or at least I don’t have any information on it. Fedora just tries making new and very perspective stuff the first and the stuff always succeeded in the past. In the case of immutable distros, I feel like it’s gonna be some nice to watch chaos because new users will have to understand how to disable immutability to install drivers and fixes which means much more research (because most answers will just say “disable immutability for the directories that the fix needs” and the user will have no idea of any of that) and terminal commands. At the same time, immutable systems may be less suitable for advanced users who like tinkering. This makes a huge part of the Linux user base. Then I can say “told you” with pride. Though immutable distros are great for cases when the system must be limited to a certain task(s). On the desktop it’s the enterprise usage but idk how many % they are. I think it’s in the single digits.

Also we’re searching for the Lemmy’s comment length limit with these ones!!!

1. I don’t need the software. I don’t use it.
2. That’s way too expensive for me but thanks for the recommendation I guess.

Mister/miss, the mice I mentioned in my post were $30. 3x more expensive stuff is out of the question.

You have entirely misunderstood or intentionally misconcepted my comment.

This seems more philosophical than on technicalities. If this is correct, would you mind elaborating on the philosophical side?

There is no philosophical side. I don’t believe in them getting very major on desktops and laptops. That’s it.

Even if this were the case, shouldn’t the constant development and continuous improvement result in something that’s (eventually) well-developed?

Yes but the hype should disappear a long time before it happens. And that’s what I meant by the bubble. It’s very hyped, misunderstood and misused thing now. It will go away and then immutable systems will find their niche or die out.

And advantages*. Or do you ignore those?

This looks like an attempt to start a fight or act like the aggressive part of the Nix community. I said immutable systems have advantages and disadvantages (in the next comment I think) but you either didn’t read or decided to just fight instead.

This is false. What makes you think that?

Dual system partitions and Flatpaks are both not great for machines that use HDDs.

What’s “them” in this sentence?

Old PCs.

Furthermore, if it is the “old PCs”, doesn’t this directly contradict with “they are unsuitable for old PCs”?

It doesn’t because Nix doesn’t have the just mentioned disadvantages of immutable systems. Idk why you misunderstood this but imo it seems suspicious of you.

I actually had a RAT 3 many years ago.

Wait there was RAT 3? I only know 4, 6 and MOUS 7 or whatever the name of that green flagship one was.

Anyways how much is a trackball? I only saw one for like $600.

Logitech is too expensive for me.

Nah to me trackballs don’t look too convenient for shooters and pretty much anything tbh. Thanks for the suggestion though.

The DPI switching should be done on device, but maybe ask the manufacturer before you buy to be sure.

That’s something important. I prefer models with DPI buttons so I can switch it. The problem is that some mice don’t seem to have onboard memory (or at least they don’t tell it) for settings storage so I wonder if that can cause some issues.

Wayland is meant to fully replace X11 and become the standard. Immutability as the idea itself has significant features that are advantages for some users but disadvantages or even deal breakers for others.

I don’t believe in immutable distros. They are not well developed now so it’s a bubble that should pop soon after people realize they are not ready yet and have a lot of disadvantages. Also they are unsuitable for old PCs and Nix seems relatively good for them so I don’t think Nix will die completely but we’ll have to see.

Xfce, LXQt or just install JWM and enjoy the 30 Mb idle RAM usage

I’m always surprised by the toxicity of Lemmy. Anyways I think it was relevant to the topic because the OP asked for opinions on atomic systems. Are you arguing because you have a drastically different one?

I agree that this is a very valid reason but I don’t think most of the people see their OS that way

Sounds like a serious bug. What’s the distro and package format? It might be a single package issue.

I don’t see atomic systems on desktop computers. They make sense on more embedded and stable systems that still need eventual updates like ATMs and industrial machinery control panels but not desktops. Atomic systems kill customization that is one of the core advantages of Linux. Probably it also has something to do with my not-so-enthusiastic opinion on Flatpak idk.

That’s the power of Linux, mister/miss.

These projects are almost diametrically opposite. GNOME tries to provide a very simple, solid but not very configurable desktop with good accessibility and stability while KDE tries to make a very configurable and powerful environment that can be customized to anyone’s needs. I don’t like KDE because it’s unstable, way too powerful for my personal needs (their “simple by default; powerful when needed” concept doesn’t really work) and I just don’t like the UI. Though KDE’s better performance is an objective advantage.

Well GNOME has issues but in terms of look it’s 69420x better than KDE.

I like the look of KDE Plasma the most.

GNOME vs KDE gang fight has been summoned.