I’ve been on Wayland for the past two years exclusively (Nvidia).
I thought it was okay for the most part but then I had to switch to an X session recently. The experience felt about the same. Out of curiosity, I played a couple of games and realized they worked much better. Steam doesn’t go nuts either.
Made me think maybe people aren’t actually adopting it that aggressively despite the constant coverage in the community. And that maybe I should just go back.
I will daily drive Wayland when it becomes Xorg function equivalent e.g. functional screen capture and overlays like every other OS (so never)
nah man, gotta be more specific. When those stuff work on every application.
A screen reader protocol for blind people that requires the app to be recompiled and opt-in to being accessible to accessibility tools, is not a replacement for one that worked for every application. Old apps will become impossible to use for some people with accessibility issues. Though wayland fanboys would tell you to shut up and be happy that a protocol exists, while failing to acknowledge that the protocol is literally fucking useless by design.
Yeah. Wayland is a nightmare of accessibility and as someone privileged to be able-bodied it can be tragically easy to forget.
Hopefully this Wayland fad goes away and we have a better protocol designed from scratch soon.
Why not just make a new protocol for what you need, rather than throwing out everything?
Why even make Wayland in the first place? Why make a protocol that is worse in every way than it’s predecessor?
It’s better in just about every way, objectively, I don’t really know what you’re talking about here.
You have one issue, accessibility, what other flaws do you see with the wayland protocol?
Why do you think it is that none of the people who worked on the X protocol would agree with you that wayland is worse in any way?
What specifically do you think is worse?
Why do you think literally every single desktop project is switching to wayland with no plans of implementing a different protocol, ever?
I feel like your version of reality is completely imaginary.
here’s some things that will never be fixable in x.org
There’s more.
I didn’t even point out accessibility? That was a different user. You can’t even read bro talk about imagining and then spitting garbled nonsense. Go back and read everything and then I might reply seriously.
I’ve not seen Wayland ever outside of this subreddit 🤣
I’m sure distro of the month somewhere prolly implemented it but us Debian chads stay winning.
I swear this is a psyop to kill of desktop Linux. Come back when screenshotting works correctly 👌
Debian has implemented it. Screenshotting has worked perfectly for years, maybe half a decade at this point.
edit: I just checked, screenshotting has been working since 2015 https://github.com/swaywm/sway/issues/1
Debian has been using wayland by default on gnome since 2019.
This is an impressive level of confidence for someone who has no idea what they’re talking about.
Also, seeing as you’re the guy who doesn’t even have accessibility problems, that means you have… no problems.
Remind me again, what is so bad about wayland?
Why did it ever not work?
Oh it’s because the protocol forbids apps accessing the output of other apps without special support for it, so unless apps manually include support for Wayland, it will not work.
With many apps that don’t even do anything related to screenshotting or overlays - like Guake - it still does not work.
So most of my usual workflow is just broken by Wayland, productivity utterly shattered by some middleware crap and for what? Why?
Why? Why must the graphical protocol of all things break random software incl. accessibility, overlays etc.? No other OS has ever had this issue. No other OS finds it a security concern to allow apps to see other apps.
The only reason Wayland does is because it’s just terribly designed from its very conception despite the constant warnings from other Devs and users.
Oh and then there’s the Nvidia driver support…
Look at what they did with PulseAudio - now that’s the right way to do it, users don’t even know the difference except suddenly everything just works a bit better.
Ye I know that, this isn’t the own you think it is as the GNOME Devs lost their mind long ago in many other ways as well.